1 2 Page 2 of 2 Parrot Heritage Members 6. After purchasing The Cars S/T, Candy-O, and Shake It Up on MFSL vinyl, here are my thoughts. If the OP wastes money on those with no SACD player, then he wastes money. kevintomb Forum Resident. And it was a very close match with the vinyl barely winning the battle. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Note the word “indistinguishable. Then I bought the new SACD version. As an example, I have Norah Jones - Come Away With Me SACD hybrid and vinyl, but later I found out the SACD version I have was mastered from redbook (wrongly done by Sony. Mirror Image, Sep 16, 2022. It lacks the deep bass of the Abkco pressing but sounds so much more "vivid" and real. I don't know which is more truthful. Redbook back in the day. I listened to them a few times each over a period of a year. Same thing goes for SACD. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage . So - the SACD ain't the original, but it's a much better option than anything on vinyl except the MoFi vinyl issue. I like Analogue Productions' work, so it should be interesting to hear how they sound. Under perfect circumstances, SACD provides an incremental improvement over CD. By Kimo January 22, 2012 in General Forum. The Royal Scam features more prominent guitar work than the prior Steely Dan album, Katy Lied, which had been the first without founding guitarist Jeff Baxter. I own the SHM-CDs of all the early Steely Dan albums ( Can't Buy A Trill through Gaucho) and I'm more than pleased with the fidelity of these issues. Analog Format. swinger Member Thread Starter. SACD Players VS Vinyl Read More » The hybrid just has a separate layer for the CD bits. The SHM CD would have an edge over standard CD but would not surpass Vinyl and SACD, DVD-A if the pressing is mastered properly. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. SACD vs. Tony van Veen is the CEO of DIY Media Group, the parent company of Disc Makers and BookBaby. You're comparing a fully mature fomat (vinyl) with what, 80 years of development behind it, to one with 4 years or so. 1% $750-$1,000 15 vote(s) 8. In the vinyl vs. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. Virtual. Vinyl. New items New comments Author list Series Latest content Latest updates Latest reviews. Bluebook The right price. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. SACD vs. It is now showing as ‘in stock’ on the Acoustic Sounds. After purchasing The Cars S/T, Candy-O, and Shake It Up on MFSL vinyl, here are my thoughts. This is the SACD that was recommended by Steve and it is the best I've heard so far. I can hear the difference between CD and vinyl, and between CD quality and high-def audio. I voted 'Who Cares. First I played my vinyl copy yesterday and found it be exquisite. for making the SACD version, and instead they CHOSE James Guthrie, who was an engineer producing, e. But for myself, I think that SACD, when it is really done right (ei: A really good true DSD player, combined with either Pure-DSD recordings, or DSD from pure analog recordings) has many of the. I think it would be wise if all nicely done remasterings today (for CD, vinyl, SACD, whatever) also include a back-up/safety copy of the actual master tape (plus minor EQ changes if necessary) onto 24/192. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me. The SHM-SACD is based off a copy tape and the HDTracks download is compressed. By meatballz August 2, 2011 in General Hi-Fi Discussion. The SACD follows quite closely behind vinyl, however it sounds more sterile even though you can hear as much detail as you can with the vinyl. No other version other than their double 45 rpm vinyl (also mediocre) sounds like this. This first example compares MoFi' s Music From Big Pink - LP vs. If you like those genres then I can support jumping into SACD's in 2022. The "Mastertape" version though more detailed and seemingly purer sounds flatter in eq. They all sound great but I really can't say that the SHM-SACD sounds better than the other two. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by rpd, Dec 11, 2003. Sponsor NewsMini-meet Shootout: AKG K1000 vs. Midrange is sweet. I am in the process of sending an album back because of excess snaps, clicks and pops and it is a brand new 180 gm recording. Price $3,499. Two channel SACD just blew away the CD's, while hybrids were not out yet I had albums that I had both the CD and the SACD to compare. The MoFi also has surface noise,while the Abkco vinyl is near silent. In-Stock Music Orders Over $99 SHIP FREE Within The Continental U. The dynamic range of vinyl is about 75dB, CD is 96dB, SACD is 120dB, and the human ear picks up 130dB. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Plays in all CD and SACD players. Nantes, France. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. I run through a comparison review about this subject today. I am a big vinyl fan, but have a small library of SACD's. A SACD does sound better then a redbook CD. CD vs. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. The SACD I found is always better, that’s if you have the right SACD player like the DMP. I sampled a bunch of SACDs and kept finding differences that were attributable to different mastering. The wait is over for the Analogue Productions SACD. Tiny imperfections in the belts or wheels of the turntable will cause more. Then I bought the new SACD version. One is the MFSL version which I loved. The dynamic range of vinyl is about 75dB, CD is 96dB, SACD is 120dB, and the human ear picks up 130dB. With estimated sales of. . I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. I still prefer vinyl, but I simply do not listen to CD's any more the digital fatigue compared to the SACD's is just too. In my experience, 96/24 is only slightly better than 44/16. All that being written, the dilemma, SACD vs. I go between the US Sony SACD and the 35DP depending on mood. 4. I'm a vinyl lover, then DSD, then PCM. Usually, more attention was paid to the mastering of 50s and 60s LPs and currently, SACDs. November 4th for CBAT. It sounds like MoFi master their vinyl and SACD separately. The best of both worlds is vinyl ripped on a very high end rig in High res and then converted to DSD. Dynamics are out of this world. vinyl. The only significant differences are in noise. Location: United States. Hi-res digital audio vs sacd I've got a pretty good setup for vinyl and digital audio files, but I have an opportunity to get a "minty" 10-yr old audiophile-grade CD/SACD player for $350. In-Stock Music Orders Over $99 SHIP FREE Within The Continental U. Noone else has a date. DSD recordings have a wonderful sampling rate and are sensationally good. Add to Cart. The latest in this long history is a double-blind test that, the authors conclude, demonstrates that 44. It is probably a more accurate rendition of the master tape but with my turntable and on. Stax, SACD vs. 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountI purchased the Immersion box when it was released for the surround mix. Boy, what a difference. Edit; I forgot I have one. . Although this recording was digital, the Parsons 2017 remaster actually sounds more analogue than the original cd. The MoFi vinyl is a real eye-opener. If you're a big classical/jazz listener, SACD is completely worth it. gloomrider, Feb 20, 2014 #177. I don't know which is more truthful. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. I was still unconvinced. Boy, what a difference. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. 8224. Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. . . . I'm getting older so no longer hear above 16kHz, so that means 320 kbps mp3 is pretty much transparent to me, as well as v0 vbr mp3. The newest stuff I have is Pixies, and that's late '80s to early '90s. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. The vinyl is top notch too. It’s a Japanese copy of Dire Straits first lp. Elton John Elton John (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0003607-36) All the Elton John SACD's sound incredible. Should I buy the Deluxe edition for my Blu ray player that plays SACD or buy the Vinyl for an actual Vinyl player I would have to buy. The album was developed from a collection of unrelated. Mirror Image, Sep 16, 2022. SACD vs Vinyl Read More » 3) S/T Dire Straits - sounded good, but a bit underwhelming. Lower bitrates are used only for speech. I’m about to open a subjective can of worms here. The critics used a very expensive sacd player against a very expensive turntable. The band did NOT like it at all. On the other hand, at least to my ears, the bass lines are noticeably subdued on the 2012 SACD compared with the 2002 redbook CD. $750. Which format do you like the most, or find to be the closest to the original master tapes? Or, if you attend live concerts (or play and instrument), which format do you prefer and why? wenterprisesnw 02-04-2000 7:53pm. although I get the impression they just don’t put the same effort into the SACD release. (Figures IIRC, can't find citation at the moment. Both are also 4K UHD Blu-Ray players. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. I would think that the Vinyl will sound better than the standard CD. Location: Daejeon. Vinyl vs SACD. This is the reason why Pink Floyd did NOT consider Alan Parsons. They are not cheap but not the most expensive of the DCC discs. The one thing about the AP SACDs is one really has to jack up the volume. Elton John Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (D1) (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0001570-36-1) Elton John Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (D2) (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0001570-36-2) Elton John Honky Château (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0003609-36) CD, SACD vs LP, Vinyl, Album#CD #vinyl #hifiFor those of you who have not seen my complete music room and system tour and LP, CD SACD tour please click on th. There are more albums where I compared against a standard CD. Edit; I forgot I have one. deeper, wider sound field. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. A digital recording doesn't degrade overtime like a record does when played too many times. If the SACD editions of The Police's albums were mastered from the original first-generation master tapes then they might sound better than the vinyl editions, as the original LPs were more than likely mastered from LP master tapes. I received Hank Mobley, Mobley's Message and also Jackie. . The answer to that question is a qualified yes. I have the five Steve Wilson blu-ray audio 5. . . I think the Doug Sax mastering has a slight edge over the other two and the funny thing is. SACD vs. SACD has a higher bit rate and uses a different encoding method from Vinyl to capture and reproduce more audio information. 2. Often times, the. Hendersonville, Tennessee Home of Cash & Orbison. Both formats have their own unique advantages and disadvantages, so it can be tough to decide which one is right for you. It was developed jointly by Sony and Philips Electronics and intended to be the successor to the compact disc (CD) format. Pacific 2 SE -> Ayon Crossfire III or Circle Labs A100 -> Avantgarde Acoustic Trio LE 26 with 4x REL Carbon Special ,SACD Player: Audio Aero La Fontaine Analog : Transrotor Fat Bob S. SACD vs VINYL. There isn't an answer as to what sounds better it really is just personal preference. View entire discussion. The MFSL SACD I could tell immediately that it didn't hold a candle to the MFSL 2-45 issue, or I think even the MOV mono pressing. net (24. for making the SACD version, and instead they CHOSE James Guthrie, who was an engineer producing, e. About 2 years ago, I decided to get back into vinyl. The 777ES does not perform at its best upon power-on. K. But I don't have an LP with the exact same mastering as an SACD so I can't do any type of apples-to-apples comparison (and even then equipment comes in to play). It may still engage me more, even if the SQ overall is not as pristine as an SACD. Vinyl. Given that they use the same mastering the answer is NO. Vinyl: SACD offers digital precision, while vinyl provides analog warmth and character. Better than vinyl, better than reel-to-reel, better than CD and even better than DVD-Audio. Often times, the differences can seem quite small upon initial comparison, for example, the Beatles remasters in 24 bit vs. 1 remixes which I love. jupiterboy likes this. Moody Blues "Question of bal. MikeT, Nov 3, 2019. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. BD Pure Audio is basically the same as DVD-A except it's encoded to 96/24. Music41 said: ↑. Just trust your ears, as I do mine. . On the Analogue Productions SACD,. Rolling Stone ranked them No. New items New comments Author list Series Latest content Latest updates Latest reviews. It was released on two formats: On vinyl record, as an Ultradisc ‘One-Step’ Limited Edition 33⅓ rpm LP, pressed on Neotech’s Super Vinyl™ contained in a commemorative slip box, (and), on CD, as a single Ultradisc 'UHR' Super Audio Compact Disc (SACD) contained in a gatefold card sleeve. sacd vs other formats IGNORED sacd vs other formats. Today I compared it with the 2003 SACD. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Well I have the MFSL vinyl of Desire, and reckon it's pretty darn good. McLover, Apr 26, 2012 #2. Sure it has a tint, but what doesn't? Vinyl has a tint. S. There's no real difference between the sound characteristics of vinyl, SACD or CD. Maybe but so far my experience with mofi's SACD vs vinyl has not been good for SACS. I think I'll go Classic Records Vinyl at least for the first three albums, possibly "Passion" and "Us" too because those are also analog recordings also if I remember correctly. Roxanne Joncas Soundstage determines the stereo image width you perceive between the speakers. My sony bdps590 sacd output in lcpm to my AVR sounds different to my Cambridge audio dvd89 analogue out and foobar2000 lcpm out. One is the MFSL version which I loved. The band's incendiary…I agree to a point, but "everything matters" and adding an well built, linear power supply to my source made a subtle but very, very noticeable improvement as did cableing, power cables, isolation, etc. A good vinyl record (that is scratch free, been cleaned on a vacume based record cleaner) sounds better then a CD, with again broader, deeper sound field, smoother over all audio, etc. All great stuff and this combined with the revitalized vinyl market bodes well for my enjoyment of music at home and is a much brighter picture than I saw when the future of audio seemed only CD and compressed. " DeTurk is a big advocate. Maybe no better overall than any other version. That leaves Soft Parade which also was released by Audio Fidelity. Low Noise Floor: SACDs tend to have a lower noise floor compared to vinyl records, which means less background noise or surface noise during playback. Nantes, France. Anyway, my sense is that good vinyl and good SACD are probably comparable but there are a lot of other variables such as quality of the music system etc. Now, don't shoot me, but, I think my CCR SACD's are some of the worst sounding SACD's I have heard. SHM-SACD vs UK Vinyl. Get either the target Morrison Hotel CD or the Audio Fidelity. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. I hate the snaps clicks and pops of vinyl. Analog sources- CD vs. Third - Single side Japanese SACD . A well-done SACD can sound incredible and can give more detail than an LP. I own the SHM-SACD of Who's Next along with CD's mastered by Doug Sax & our host. Location: United States. 98: Grateful Dead / Workingman's Dead Hybrid Stereo SACD Numbered Limited Edition CMOB 2137 SA Original Price: $29. Order by Phone Toll Free 1-888-926-2564 Fax 785-825-0156 Phone Outside USA 785-825-8609 Email UsMoody Blues "Question of bal. Both formats have their own unique advantages and disadvantages, so it can be tough to decide which one is right for you. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountMoody Blues "Question of bal. While the standard CD format is tied to a 44. 2. But the more I listen the more I enjoy music, tint and all. SACD vs. Sucks that there's no general concensus as to which CD is better, aside from the SACD. SACD debate, there is no definitive answer to which format offers the ultimate listening experience. #30. They all sound good but the SACD is sublime. So, Changes CD is DR 12 and Changes SACD is DR 11. My Soft Parade pressing actually sounds quite good: The Doors – The Soft Parade (1970, Terre Haute Pressing, Gatefold, Vinyl) Chrome_Head, Jun 9, 2021. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. S. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. The real advantage of a (multichannel) SACD player is the ability to listen to the surround sound recording. There were two Marantz SACD players I was keeping my eye on: the 30n ($2999) and the SA-KI Ruby Signature player with DAC ($3999). The latest in this long history is a double-blind test that, the authors conclude, demonstrates that 44. SACD. I see a trend, and I tend to do this myself, looking for older "original" cd releases of stuff if there are one or multiple re-masters available today. I can see how people still prefer vinyl over any other digital format, but this is most likely more subjective (vinyl has a special sound which is nice, no doubt). Then I bought the new SACD version. Might as well jump: Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab has announced that Van Halen's first six multi-platinum albums originally released on the Warner Bros. Vinyl. Denon - DCD-A110 SACD/CD Player. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. But most of us here are comfortable and familiar with it. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". culabula, May 3, 2020 #11. of the Dark Side of the Moon, is NOT good sonically. Search first posts only. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. 1. Quick links. Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist. well i'd say you have to take it on a title by title basis with SACD, as with any medium source and mastering are key. Mastered: Doug Sax, James Guthrie, Joel Plante. 4) Making Movies - muted, no drum slam, muted highs. Steely Dan-Cant Buy A Thrill-Hybrid Stereo SACD|Acoustic Sounds. The RCA CD of Respighi’s Pines of Rome opens with a wall of sound plastered along the frontal plane of the speakers. In fact, it's a good sign that the music isn't overly compressed. The DCC versions have more punch and bass, but the AP SACD's are more flat and crisp. Inner ear, May 11, 2017 #5. 15 on its list of the 20 Greatest Duos of All Time. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". Third - Single side Japanese SACD . I will add this is one album I prefer listening to on CD (the MFSL release) or especially SACD vs vinyl so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Moody Blues "Question of bal. ) than the original 2002 redbook CD. I sampled a bunch of SACDs and kept finding differences that were attributable to different mastering and. Home. Whereas some others where I am pretty familiar with it's vinyl 'equivalent' I could tell even without direct comparison that the vinyl was better, like Kind of Blue for example. . Dec 10, 2005. Blue Note sacds), I already have records of. Page 1. NorthNY Mark and Espen R like this. I much prefer CD to SACD. . On a CD, the separation between the left and right channels used in recording is over 90 dB. 192 is significantly better and DXD (352) is even better. Fred Dender and Grampire like this. The choice between the two depends on personal preferences and the desired sonic attributes. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. g. If you like SACDs, the 2004 reissue of Relaxin’ by the Miles Davis Quintet sounds equally fantastic, albeit a little different with a. There’s no shortage of non audiophile hybrid disks that are $35+ vs. (2014 Mercury BluRay 0602537736973) Allman Brothers Band-Brothers and Sisters (2014 MFSL SACD HR UDSACD 2103) Allman Brothers Band-Eat A Peach (2004 Mecury SACD HR B0002439-36) Allman Brothers Band-Eat a. Even as a purist I am very happy with the results. 1:17 - Stereo CD Layer4. On the one hand, Norah Jone's 2012 Come Away with Me SACD has better overall sound quality (dynamic range, detail, etc. I guess you have to love old music to appreciate DSD, since that's about all that's represented. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Mine arrived earlier this afternoon (GMT +8), along with Paranoid and Who's Next. It. UPC: 093624979340: Availability:. You can remain judicious in selecting your choices. I decided to include CD quality as well – and a couple other comparisons thrown in for good measure. I want the best sound. 49:Personally I am fine with well mastered hi res digital. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Litejazz53, Jul 13, 2019. Todd68, Jun 30, 2019. CD: SACD’s high resolution and dynamic range typically exceed those of standard CDs, resulting in a potentially more detailed and accurate listening experience. Sample Rate: 2. " Arrival Date To Be Announced " for the others. Never heard the 2003, soi i can't vote, but the 20016 BG cut sounds amazing to my ears. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. Szeppelin75 Forum Resident. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. BD Pure Audio is basically the same as DVD-A except it's encoded to 96/24. Search titles only By:Zucchero "Sugar" Fornaciari - Miserere (Overture)1. But I do own the original US CD and '93 remaster, along with the vinyl which is a skip-fest sadly. I guess it shows you how much cheaper. Madman Across the Water SACD vs CD vs LP. Boy, what a difference. I just listened closely to the MFSL SACD, the noises are audible at the end of every track. All Activity; My Activity Streams . Vinyl. Even an SACD only disk that’s just a SACD copy of the same CD master is not likely going to deliver a whole lot. 1 setup. if one uses the instruments attached to the sides of his head, he will be picking sacd over rbcd. The Rhino and Audio Fidelity releases are the same mix, but different masterings. 1 kHz and 16 bits of information per sample. 45 RPM 200 Gram Clarity Vinyl. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. On the other hand, vinyl’s sound stage remains unbeaten, as the ClearAudio parallel arm. However, we find a significant variation of the levels of the top of the spectrum (above 15 kHz) due to an equalization or to the burning head (red zone). SACD vs. Sorry about my bad English. of the Dark Side of the Moon, is NOT good sonically. SACD disc and the DSD encoding (on a SACD) are a "frozen in time" tech circa 2005. 5 gigabytes (GB) Advantages of SACD. 3. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. By all means, get the 4 DCC's. The RCA CD of Respighi’s Pines of Rome opens with a wall of sound plastered along the frontal plane of the speakers. According to a theorem called. But again, I'd love to be proven wrong. I don't know which is more truthful. Thread Tools. SHM-SACD vs original CD (WB), vs original vinyl (WB) I first cleaned each vinyl LP on my NG 1. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. We really need to move on, but SACD and DVD-A and BluRay have so far not killed the Red Book standard disc. Hello, I have never listened to a SACD system and would like to know how it compares to vinyl. From the sound’s point of view, there is always a difference between SACD and the regular cd, but that left apart, usually XRCDs are sounding much better than. And I'm not all that hot on CDs. But they always compares SACD vs CD on the same player. SACD vs. Please, bear in mind that I have NO original vinyls to compare to, only the early CDs of Shake It Up and Greatest Hits: 1) Shake It Up - the worse pressing from the three. I’ve already evaluated Grundman’s mastering of Can’t Buy a Thrill in a Mini-TBVO on my blog, and I plan to evaluate every AP remaster as part of a mini or full. Vinyl. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. It is a high-resolution digital. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and onl. Then I bought the new SACD version. Jim NBut while we're on the topic of SACD vs. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. 49. As a college student, he played in indie bands, created his own LPs, cassettes, and t-shirts, and sold them at shows. I like Analogue Productions' work, so it should be interesting to hear how they sound. LeeS said: ↑. There are records for every genre of music I listen to, whereas almost nothing I listen to is ever released on SACD. Way. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. A lot of pops and crackles ("a lot" for a brand new MFSL vinyl, I mean) on the. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. #13. Every time. The better sounding recordings any given record company are the one's chosen for SACD release.